Back pain is the gift that keeps on giving. This is coming from someone who had back surgery on an L4 disc in 97. However, that room gives you more flexibility to adjust to the different weather or length trips. (cell phones don't work where I go) You stated that you might be afraid of filling up your pack with that much room. I always carry enough stuff in case I have to spend a night out or an extra night. I often hike and hunt alone so I tend to pack more in case of emergencies. The only Mystery Ranch pack I've used and own so far is the Big Horn. Thanks for any suggestions, opinions and observations. Ideally, what I really need is someone who has shouldered both packs with around 45 lbs in them to tell me about there experience and compare and contrast the two packs. I also realize the advantage of the expandability and versatility of the Nice frame, but if I don't need it now then why pay extra for it and have to carry it around all the time. However, I realize that 47 lbs and comfortable is much preferable to 45 lbs and uncomfortable. At 6 lbs 8 oz, it's considerably heavier than the 4 lb 4 oz Dragon Slayer. My only hangup with the Long Bow is the weight of the pack. I'm wondering if any Dragon Slayer owners have any experience toting around this kind of weight and bulk with this pack. at MR said the Dragon Slayer doesn't really have any support stays, just the back plate for the yolk and then the harness. I put "internal frame" in quotes because the rep. My main question is the ability of the "internal frame" of the Dragon Slayer to handle the 35 - 45 lbs easily and comfortably. I'm torn between the Dragon Slayer and the Long Bow. Most of the MR packs have the horizontal compression straps and bed roll straps or some other system to easily and efficiently accommodate those stand setups. I need the pack to be able to handle two different types of tree stand setups. I hunt mostly public land, so I usually have to hike a good distance to get away from the crowd and I have to pack everything in and out most of the time to keep it from walking off on its own. I've looked at a bunch of different pack companies and I've pretty much settled on Mystery Ranch. I've decided this year is the year to develop my system and setup to be as efficient and user friendly as possible. It's been a slow process, partly because I'm hard headed and trying to force what I have now to work and partly from lack of knowledge and experience with all the different products out there. My hunting setup has been evolving over the past few years. I am in the market for a new hunting pack. I'm new to the forum and I have enjoyed lurking and learning for a little while and now I need some help. The 15 pounds isn't that heavy so having that weight back that far isn't an issue and better than stowing it inbetween the pack frame and the pack which would push the rest of my gear back further away from my back which is where the majority of my pack weight is making this a less attractive option.Hello all. Still the best way to stow it I have found is with the packraft rolled up tight and positioned vertical on the back of the pack. Just got back from a 4 day packrafting trip last night in which I had the PR-49 strapped to my Kifaru EMR 2. In fact strapping two PR-49s and 2 sets of paddles along with enough gear for a weeks worth of stuff is still managable with this pack. Of those packs listed far and away the EMR 2 does the best job IMO in organizing gear and being able to strap the packraft to the back of the pack. I have used packs from Arcteryx (Bora 95), Mystery Ranch (NICE 6500), and Kifaru (Highcamp 7K obviously 7000 cu in, Duplex Timberline 1 which is 7200 cu in, and EMR 2 which is 8400 cu in). Now add packrafting to the mix and you need space for paddles, pump, repair kit, and finally a packraft. Add hunting gear (spotting scope, tripod, knife, gamebags, binoculars, rifle, ammo, and more) will take up even more space. Like Larry I have used a number of high volume packs as just getting enough gear for normal backpacking for 7-10 days usually takes up 3500-4000 cubic inches.
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